Thread: Please, excuse my distraction.

I hope I can clear the air on my unexpectedly grandiose entry to your forum. Contrary to the apparent assumption, I am not some naive youth or crank alternate theory monger. I have a life that ensures that I have a minimal opportunity to address a subject of fascination that has insistently demanded my attention for a great many years. The posts I supplied were constructed in a manner that seemed appropriate to my experience of seeking further information previously. As I had supposed when I posted it, KJW supplied exactly what I had been looking for as he has many times previously.

This leads me to believe that the others who responded are either still within the education system, or recently attached to it. It is of little surprise to me that those currently involved in the discipline of adhering to the meanings they are provided would object to an alien presenting language with (supposedly)otherwise applied reasoning. They would be mistaken in the presumption that there is anything more than disciplinary-specific specificity when it comes to definition of terms.

A further complication with the raucous and bloodthirsty splitting of hairs that followed my 'definitions' was the fact that the subject matter directly involved FoR transformations and the 'definitions' provided were so due to there being applicable to all FoR. It is a compilation I have developed to remember where I am up to on this subject. I have assumed from previous experience that those with greater experience with the subject are able to determine from what I supply, where to direct me. I still have little reason to believe this approach does not achieve the result I seek.

I am not one to throw away advice on those so obviously impressed with their own. I will inform those who have benefited from tertiary education that their very good fortune does not provide them years of experience. I owe you nothing for the good fortune you enjoy. If it isn't your personal field do you seriously expect me to take your claptrap responses with any seriousness?

To those of younger years, be thankful that your elders are compassionate and forgiving. If they were not, your resounding and bombastic personal presumptions would provide enough distraction for you to be quietly dealt with. Try having some authentic respect. You never know who is putting a roof over your head.

Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny

A further complication with the raucous and bloodthirsty splitting of hairs that followed my 'definitions' was the fact that the subject matter directly involved FoR transformations and the 'definitions' provided were so due to there being applicable to all FoR.

Bunny, I didn't see anything raucous or bloodthirsty. In fact all responses seemed quite mellow, considerate and justified. Perhaps if you ask a question that we can understand we can help. Otherwise what is the point of coming to a forum?

You weren't on the other end of it I have to say. As anyone can now see with reference to the Fermion v Boson thread here, KJW has directed me to the solution. If people here cannot acknowledge when a problem is beyond their field of experience to solve, they really have no place responding to the question. Do you think you have the right to reverse interrogate anyone who turns up with a question you don't understand. Wake up to yourselves folks. You are a bunch of punks....

I owe this site a plug. The fact that here I was allowed room to address my question to one with the experience to direct me further is more likely due to the minimal attendance here than anything else. Regardless, I would still advise anyone that require solutions that are above the tertiary level to bring them here. The mother site is always going to have issues if they allow the popularity of their frontline responders to provide those people with cover to bully-test a newcomers integrity. Completely negative review of that site but this one might have a chance at providing people with greater solutions.

Keep it up please.......

As usual, my presenting a complex math problem verbally to a forum recieved a dismissive and, at the very least, mildly abusive welcome. As it turns out, the problem I have been seeking a solution to involves the square root of -1 and spinors. It is my understanding the former equation took centuries to solve and the latter is expected to take the same to solve. Should I take responsibility for the fact the dynamic I couldn't understand takes this form, when I recieve the greetings I have?

Responders should understand that anyone seeking a complex solution must undergo a disciplinary process. That process involves eliminating all non related information to the solution. As the solution I sought involved spinors', it was necessary for me to ignore the greater content of the massive amount of work that pushed me to find an answer. It was comprehension of GR and SR that once told me that there was only a very small part missing. I had to only allow substance to those phenomena that could not be cancelled out.

Those who wish to challenge anothers presentation here should have basic respect that solutions require a discipline specific to the question. Any term's defintion is always going to be specific to the question. There are no single definitions as context is about FoR.

In regards to the demands I recieved regarding "respecting the professionals' here, I'll make a point about amateur science enthusiasts. These people return to the subject as an escape from the confusions of handling the responsibilities of they're life. The professional's capacity with his subject is necessarily of a very high standard, but his attention in his area has been guided by the demands of his career as well as the strictness of the academic discipline. His comprehension is regulated and focussed. This presents various intellectual and emotional restrictions to his focus on the subject. Although I sincerely understand the difficulty in dealing with the variety of enthusiastic juniors out there surfing for a raise, it may be appropriate for professionals to recognise that, for a disciplined amateur, his interest is not only fueled by intense curiosity and a need to escape from the pressures of life, but has also had the opportunity to focus entirely on their pet interest without interruption. This may sporadically achieve significant results..........

You are right but I do know what it feels like as I have experienced this too, although I must say not on this forum where I have found everyone to be most kind and patient. I imagine we could all list some put downs we have had, for some it seems to go with the territory. How does the song go? "When we grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children any way they could. by pouring their derision on everything they did, exposing every weakness however carefully hidden by the kid"

Originally Posted by Jilan

You are right but I do know what it feels like as I have experienced this too, although I must say not on this forum where I have found everyone to be most kind and patient. I imagine we could all list some put downs we have had, for some it seems to go with the territory. How does the song go? "When we grew up and went to school there were certain teachers who would hurt the children any way they could. by pouring their derision on everything they did, exposing every weakness however carefully hidden by the kid"

wow Pink Floyd. so apt. thanks......

MODERATOR NOTE : 3SwordBunny, please refrain from opening multiple threads on essentially the same topic. I have merged your discussions into two threads, please keep it at that, unless you have a different topic to present.

Originally Posted by Markus Hanke

MODERATOR NOTE : 3SwordBunny, please refrain from opening multiple threads on essentially the same topic. I have merged your discussions into two threads, please keep it at that, unless you have a different topic to present.

I like where you put it....

exactly how many times do I have to apologise for not having recieved an education?

I have a philosophy of seeking out those with a greater verbal capacity than myself to learn from, as I have found that those who cannot communicate with the simple courtesy of withholding personal assumptions have little to teach me......

Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny

exactly how many times do I have to apologise for not having recieved an education?

It is not the lack of education that is the problem (I have limited formal education, myself). It is the fact you make endless posts containing words you clearly don't understand thrown together in ways that make no sense - and cannot make sense however much you or anyone else says.

I don't really know why you believe that you blatherings about angular momentum mean anything, but they very clearly do not. You might as well try to explain how an internal combustion engine works by saying it is caused by the rotating carburettor of the tyre piston attached to the frobnitz. Just a meaningless string of words.

I think you need help. (And not from a science forum.)

Originally Posted by Strange

It is not the lack of education that is the problem (I have limited formal education, myself). It is the fact you make endless posts containing words you clearly don't understand thrown together in ways that make no sense - and cannot make sense however much you or anyone else says.

I don't really know why you believe that you blatherings about angular momentum mean anything, but they very clearly do not. You might as well try to explain how an internal combustion engine works by saying it is caused by the rotating carburettor of the tyre piston attached to the frobnitz. Just a meaningless string of words.

I think you need help. (And not from a science forum.)

I think you need an edit on my ignore button by this point. sorry......

anyone?

Originally Posted by Strange

It is not the lack of education that is the problem (I have limited formal education, myself). It is the fact you make endless posts containing words you clearly don't understand thrown together in ways that make no sense - and cannot make sense however much you or anyone else says.

I don't really know why you believe that you blatherings about angular momentum mean anything, but they very clearly do not. You might as well try to explain how an internal combustion engine works by saying it is caused by the rotating carburettor of the tyre piston attached to the frobnitz. Just a meaningless string of words.

I think you need help. (And not from a science forum.)

thought you might have been happy to to be the one to arrange a unifying equation like you did for me. thanks for the advice. I have bowed my head before people with far less capability than myself so you shouldn't be any issue to me bro.......

Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny

anyone?

Postpoc, this forum is no different from the old SSSF. In that old forum you had time to establish yourself in the community where lot's of us got to really appreciate you, especially me. I also see that you are a valued member of another forum and I assume your launch into that forum was in a similar considered manner. Please recognise that no one here apart from a very few know you. As a result they are trying to fathom where you are coming from but it is perceived as so esoteric, that it is impossible to establish a common base of reference to proceed from.

By launching your queries in the manner you have done so, has resulted in the response you have received. Don't blame them, or me as he messenger (Copernicus :-)))

Originally Posted by Implicate Order

Postpoc, this forum is no different from the old SSSF. In that old forum you had time to establish yourself in the community where lot's of us got to really appreciate you, especially me. I also see that you are a valued member of another forum and I assume your launch into that forum was in a similar considered manner. Please recognise that no one here apart from a very few know you. As a result they are trying to fathom where you are coming from but it is perceived as so esoteric, that it is impossible to establish a common base of reference to proceed from.

By launching your queries in the manner you have done so, has resulted in the response you have received. Don't blame them, or me as he messenger (Copernicus :-)))

I spent the first 25 years of my life with close contact with about 8 people at a time. I hope you can chill with the communication learning gap I got lodged in my bits..... :P(nice to see you fella)

Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny

(nice to see you fella)

You too mate. It's a great place here with some very clever minds. I am looking forward to that wicked sense of humour of yours :-))

Originally Posted by Implicate Order

As a result they are trying to fathom where you are coming from but it is perceived as so esoteric, that it is impossible to establish a common base of reference to proceed from.

I find it really bizarre that people think I think esoterically or something. If there is anything the SR/GR thread shows it's that I think symmetrically(even when the picture is orthogonally opposed)

Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny

I find it really bizarre that people think I think esoterically or something. If there is anything the SR/GR thread shows it's that I think symmetrically(even when the picture is orthogonally opposed)

It takes some time to get the flavour of opinion of each different science forum. This forum, specifically this Physics sub-forum is the domain of the physics and maths geniuses. Those not quite as well versed in the maths and the theoretical physics side of things (such as GR, QM etc.), reside over in the Science Forum you bombarded the other day. That's where I like to reside. It is perhaps a bit more flexible with some of the more 'deep down' arcane viewpoints.....but be prepared for the need for 'peer reviewed' corroboration if the members sniff a 'non-conventional agenda' to your queries. I tread softly over there and take it slowly in my quest for knowledge. It's fine to post queries, but just don't post Hypothesis or Theories as that will put you under the crucible and can be de-constructive in your quest for answers. :-))

Originally Posted by Implicate Order

It takes some time to get the flavour of opinion of each different science forum. This forum, specifically this Physics sub-forum is the domain of the physics and maths geniuses. Those not quite as well versed in the maths and the theoretical physics side of things (such as GR, QM etc.), reside over in the Science Forum you bombarded the other day. That's where I like to reside. It is perhaps a bit more flexible with some of the more 'deep down' arcane viewpoints.....but be prepared for the need for 'peer reviewed' corroboration if the members sniff a 'non-conventional agenda' to your queries. I tread softly over there and take it slowly in my quest for knowledge. It's fine to post queries, but just don't post Hypothesis or Theories as that will put you under the crucible and can be de-constructive in your quest for answers. :-))

I've only been trying to get that one out of my head I promise. It's done. Can concentrate now. Good to think I can put it away. How are the kids and that lovely heavy spherical object attached to your waste pockets

Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny

I've only been trying to get that one out of my head I promise. It's done. Can concentrate now. Good to think I can put it away. How are the kids and that lovely heavy spherical object attached to your waste pockets

Great mate...well they are growing up fast which has it's problems........I am going to leave this sub-forum now as unlike the old SSSF they don't appreciate 'chat' in threads and the chatbox above is not sufficient for a lengthy discussion. I will PM you and give you a heads up of who's who in the zoo

Originally Posted by Implicate Order

I will PM you and give you a heads up of who's who in the zoo

Sweet. *fist bump* take it easy bro...