Thread: LHC experiment

The CERN large hadron collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam that is accelerated using a superconducting coil but a magnetic field does not accelerate protons. Using an analogy, a solenoid's wire coil that accelerates an iron armature cannot be used to justify the acceleration of protons since a magnetic field of a solenoid produces an affect on metals such as a carpenter nail, paper clip or iron filings. The cyclotron (fig 18) is used to justify the acceleration of the hadron beam but the cyclotron accelerates ions not protons and the accelerated cyclotron ions are accelerated using an electric field produced by two gaps between the two halves of the cyclotron not by a wire coil's magnetic field.

Originally Posted by discovered799

The CERN large hadron collider LHC (2017) describes a hadron (proton) beam that is accelerated using a superconducting coil but a magnetic field does not accelerate protons.

Don't be ridiculous. A magnetic field accelerates any charged particle in motion.

Using an analogy, a solenoid's wire coil that accelerates an iron armature cannot be used to justify the acceleration of protons since a magnetic field of a solenoid produces an affect on metals such as a carpenter nail, paper clip or iron filings.

Look up the definition for "justify." You seem not to know what it means.

Whether a magnetic field is produced by a solenoid or something else is irrelevant. It's the field itself that matters, not what made it. Apparently, you have not bothered to study any of the science you are commenting on so authoritatively and wrongly. Hint: In Maxwell's equations, one does not find any factors having to do with what apparatus is used to produce the fields.

The cyclotron (fig 18) is used to justify the acceleration of the hadron beam but the cyclotron accelerates ions not protons and the accelerated cyclotron ions are accelerated using an electric field produced by two gaps between the two halves of the cyclotron not by a wire coil's magnetic field.

Again, any charged particle will be deflected (that's an acceleration) by a magnetic field. A cyclotron makes use of both electric and magnetic fields, both of which produce accelerations.

And after all that, what is the point of your seemingly pointless post? Are you arguing that the LHC doesn't work as advertised?

Let me help you. The RF cavities' electric field accelerates the protons. Correct?

Originally Posted by discovered799

Let me help you. The RF cavities' electric field accelerates the protons. Correct?

Thank you for the offer. No doubt I need help in a great many areas, but not in this thread. Your nearly incoherent post reveals that of the two of us, you are by far in greater need of a science education. It would also seem that English is not your first language (no shame there), which only compounds the difficulty (have you looked up "justify" yet?).

With that preface out of the way, an E-field will certainly accelerate protons. A B-field will also, if the protons are in motion, just as I said above. And as I said above, you may substitute "charged particle" for "proton".

Thank you for your post but before I begin could you explain, in your own words, how a proton beam is created and show me a proton arc welder at work. Thank You.

Originally Posted by discovered799

Thank you for your post but before I begin could you explain, in your own words, how a proton beam is created and show me a proton arc welder at work. Thank You.

Sorry I don't offer free tutoring to lazy cranks. Google for proton beam and heliarc welding.

Buh-bye.

A heliarc welding is using an electron beam. Is it getting too hot? And what does "Buh-bye" mean? Is it French? Oui, oui

Originally Posted by discovered799

A heliarc welding is using an electron beam. Is it getting too hot? And what does "Buh-bye" mean? Is it French? Oui, oui

Oh good. You can google after all. But you still failed the test: Helium doesn't yield protons when ionised!

But since you can google there's no need for my further tutoring of you. As they say in Macedonia, enjoy the thyroid!

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So from how I see it, physicists do not know the mass of an electron, proton, neutron or subatomic particles since how can they? Example, say someone gives you a dime (not a Donald duck dime but a regular dime) which you would look at and if you were polite or it was 1899, you would say thank you or if you were not just not accept it or throw it in the persons face with a grunt like any respectable women would do, just think a dime, but if someone gave you a million dollar your reaction would be extremely different, right. Physicists would lick someone toes (Ito) for a millions dollars wouldn't you? that's why physicists have such clean toes since they have graduate students to help them get to those hard to get places. Just think when the budget cut occur and toilet paper becomes scarce blond would become bunets if they are not careful. Berkeley bunets and Stanford red sticky buns. Now that's similar to determining the mass of an electron or proton using a cloud chamber or a bubble chamber since the gas molecules and liquid hydrogen atoms are so much bigger than the electrons, proton and subatomic particles. Finally, I do not think that the beam used in proton beam therapy are composed of protons since protons that have a mass cannot propagate through matter. So it is either x-rays or probably microwaves that are being used. Frying those cancer cell like popcorn.

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discovered799, this is a hard science forum and, as such, your combative posts are unsuitable and your last post has earned you a week off. If you return, try asking how things work, rather than asserting they cannot because you don't understand how they can.

The CERN large hadron collider LHC (2017), is based on the collision of two hadron beams that are composed of protons but a proton beam consists of ionized hydrogen gas molecules but the ionization of the highly volatile hydrogen gas would result in an explosion. Proton beam therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron cannot propagate through human skin and tissue without producing a hole.


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Originally Posted by discovered799

The CERN large hadron collider LHC (2017), is based on the collision of two hadron beams that are composed of protons but a proton beam consists of ionized hydrogen gas molecules but the ionization of the highly volatile hydrogen gas would result in an explosion. Proton beam therapy is used to justify the existence of a proton beam but protons that have a mass 1,000 times greater than an electron cannot propagate through human skin and tissue without producing a hole.


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The only cure for such ignorance is education. Unfortunately, the first step is to acknowledge that one's knowledge is deficient. You are confident in a way that is unjustified, and so it is doubtful that you will advance. Your other thread which, I infer, is an attempt at casting doubt on Maxwell's equations, is similarly based on an arrogance unburdened by knowledge.

And now I again bow out. Buh-bye.

I personally do not think that education will stop ignorance since the people that believed that the earth was at the center of the solar system were very highly esteemed members of the scientific society and I am quite certain that they were considered highly educated yet believed that the earth was at the center of the universe or, at a different time, that the earth was flat which is similar to the proton beam used in the LHC or the LIGO length perturbation of 10^18 m which by the way is smaller than the diameter of an electron! Yes I have many deficits such I cannot play Liszt’s Campanella and the Golden State Warrior probably will not let me play on their team with those mental and physical attributes perhaps I could advance to the level of mental skills that you personally exhibit which would only be a slender hope or wish which I cherish in my heart with every beat that fascinates at how the LIGO can detect a 10^18 m length variation but maybe if I work on my piano skills and dribbling I will be able to meet your high expectations based on admitting or more in the celestial range of confessing my numerous and many faults. With regards to Physics of youth, my SAT scores were extremely dismal since I was ill during the test and throw up in the bath room since I had a flu and my calculator ran out of batteries, my dog died and my dear father got a heart attack a week before the SAT. Also, and more importantly regard the subject of physics and science in general, I only got a B+ from Dr. Chinn of HSU in quantum mechanics but I was also the only person in the class that took the final. Out of ten students at the beginning of the semester I was the only one remaining. Those last lectures were stressful since Chinn was lecturing to me as though there was a full class yet I was the only one in the class which may be the reason that I did not get an A in the class since I was placed in a position that I had never experienced before similar to being in the twilight zone with Ron Sterling at my side beckoning into the space-time. I also have a very bad memory for short series of number such as phone numbers and the amount of money that I owe people but on the later I have improved since I now write things down and keep a string attached to my belt to normalize my secret book based on the string that I theorized has save me many days of the Einsteinian revolution of matter and time. Also, I cannot remember how to do sine and cosine from memory and have to look in a book every time I use these equations this also goes for the circumference of a circle, the volume and area to. I seem to forget all the time what all those equations are but thanks to the internet it does not take me forever to do stuff regarding the said entities nor do I have to carry around books with me when I do my ostensible research. Thank you for saying that I am a representation of confidence. I am sure that Prof. Lebron my first physics teacher and basketball coach would be impress with you saying that of my work. Thank you very much for your encouragement. Unfortunately, we will all advance and end up in the ether one day with only our love ones and people like you to remember me. Farewell my love and beloved friend. I will always remember you to.

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Now in the other physics forums which are having a hearty discussion regarding this post that I have placed here for your wonderful attention and I hope that all these people that are viewing this post will respond or just keep on reading (trucking) since it's much more fun when someone responds who is polite since everyone should be polite since you never know whom you a communicating with, even physic has some foxy chicks (not alot but some, OK few, come on one or two) but you know when you have some one to talk to it can be extremely inspiring but the next option is that I have to think for myself and ask help from God or uses physics serendipity. So the question is how the subatomic particles that have a mass can propagates through the bubble chamber's steel enclosure that a talked about in my original paper and how the proton beam is formed. First, there is something wrong with physics which I hope is obvious since physics is playing second fiddle to biology (genetics) which is just super embarrassing that I just want to put my head down and cry since well biology majors (loud appause from biology majors) are out doing physics major is just beyond belief but since the main response of physics majors is denial and this denial result in most of the recent important discoveries in science coming from genetics since in Science magazine most of the papers published are based on genetics not physics. At this rate they will discover the secret of aging and we will never get old or die soon but I'm looking forward to dying so that would not be to good at lest for me. Just think if you had to be married for all eternity and teenager stayed teenager forever. You're probably thinking what is he talking about, right? But look at how everyone pretends not to be reading my paper but how certain forum (will not give any names) are using the other forums to imply that I have stolen my ideas from some where else. Now how would they know so fast about me? Here is why biology majors are kicking the rear ends of physics majors.


This paper will analyze the wave theory of light and its affect on modern physics and astronomy. Huygens describes the propagation of light using light waves formed by the motion of an ether, composed of matter, yet light propagates in vacuum that is void of matter. Bradley's stellar aberration is used to justify the existence of Huygens' ether but aberration does not alter the fact that light propagates in vacuum. Fresnel established the wave theory of light by deriving a diffraction intensity equation using interfering light-waves produced by the vibration of Huygens' ether yet diffraction also forms in vacuum. Maxwell introduces an electromagnetic theory of light based on Maxwell's equations that are derived using Faraday's induction effect since induction forms in vacuum but Faraday's induction effect is not luminous. The measurement of the velocity of light is used to justify Maxwell's theory but the velocity of light does not alter the fact that Maxwell's theory is based on Faraday's induction effect that is not luminous. Michelson tests for the existence of Fresnel's ether using an interferometer to test for the affects of the ether wind but the result of Michelson's experiment was negative. Michelson's experiment is unnecessary since light propagating in vacuum proves the propagation of light does not involve an ether. Poynting supports Maxwell's theory by deriving an electromagnetic energy equation of light but Poynting's current wire is not luminous. Hertz discovered radio waves that are used to justify Maxwell's theory but the radio induction effect does not alter the fact that Maxwell theory is based on Maxwell's equations that are derived using Faraday's induction effect that is not luminous. Lorentz uses a transformation to reverse the negative result of Michelson's experiment to justify the existence of Fresnel's ether, composed of matter, but light propagates in vacuum. Lenard proves light is composed of particles which conflicts with the continuity of Maxwell's electromagnetic field since as a light beam propagates the distances between light particles would increase eliminating the continuity of Maxwell's electromagnetic field, and, an expanding electromagnetic field cannot sustain a particle structure of a propagating electromagnetic photon. In special relativity, Einstein (1905) alters the coordinate system of Maxwell's equations to justify Maxwell's electromagnetic theory of light but manipulating the coordinate system does not change the fact that Maxwell's equations are derived using Faraday's induction effect that is not luminous nor is induction a particle effect. Quantum mechanics, quantum electrodynamics, string theory, quantum field theory, quantum chromodynamics, plasma physics, condense matter physics, and particle physics use the gauge but representing Maxwell's equations with a potential does not change the fact that Maxwell's equations are derived using Faraday's induction effect that depicts a massless and expanding electromagnetic field which conflicts with the particle structure of an atom, ion, nuclei, proton, electron or subatomic particles that have a mass. In gravitational physics, Weber detected stellar gravitational waves that have the frequency of 1662 Hz using a 750 pound aluminum beam but Garwin and Douglas discredited Weber's experiment. Wheeler, Thorne, Gertsenshtein and Ohanian use the gauge to represent gravitational waves that propagate at the velocity of light but gravitational waves have not been experimentally detected. The Caltech-MIT Laser Interferometric Gravitational-Wave Observatory LIGO (2009) experimentally detected celestial gravitational waves produced by a pulsar using an interferometer that forms a strain of 10-21 that represents the armature length contraction of 10-18 m which is less than the diameter of an electron and is within the measurement uncertainty in determining the 4,000 m length of the armature.


The result of all that is stated above is resulted in the proton beam catastrophe.