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    When people bring their questions here they automatically get tested on their comprehension of the subject matter. There are always a minimum two subjects that any tertiary professional is qualified in. For the respondent to test the knowledge of the subject matter is one thing, but to throw in a secret test regarding his level of familiarity with the processes and requirements of the educational discipline as well(how to structure a thesis, etc. etc....)in, is a combative measure that is not warranted nor anything other than the respondents wish to assert his authority over the questioner. This is not a very gracious way to respond to a question....
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    I get the feeling the educated resent those uneducated who want an education........
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    I get the feeling the educated resent those uneducated who want an education........
    You don't act much like someone wishing to make the transition from ignorance to enlightenment. Your attitude is your problem. That's why you are currently under suspension from the other forum, and why you are likely on a similar path here.

    You've been given good advice from "the educated," and your response is to complain about mistreatment. I imagine that you have never accomplished too much in your life, for all significant achievement requires hard work, and learning from those who have gone before you. In learning how to play the piano, for example, it is the rare student who never hears "no, that's not right. Play it like this." You seem to think that criticism is a personal attack, and you respond like a spoilt child.

    Grow a thicker skin and listen to what the educated are telling you. You are obviously unschooled, which is fine, but your attitude all but guarantees that you will wallow in your ignorance. If that's what you prefer, that's your personal choice. But don't come to a science-based forum and complain that the mean mans done treated you bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    You don't act much like someone wishing to make the transition from ignorance to enlightenment. Your attitude is your problem. That's why you are currently under suspension from the other forum, and why you are likely on a similar path here.

    You've been given good advice from "the educated," and your response is to complain about mistreatment. I imagine that you have never accomplished too much in your life, for all significant achievement requires hard work, and learning from those who have gone before you. In learning how to play the piano, for example, it is the rare student who never hears "no, that's not right. Play it like this." You seem to think that criticism is a personal attack, and you respond like a spoilt child.

    Grow a thicker skin and listen to what the educated are telling you. You are obviously unschooled, which is fine, but your attitude all but guarantees that you will wallow in your ignorance. If that's what you prefer, that's your personal choice. But don't come to a science-based forum and complain that the mean mans done treated you bad.
    get over yourself buddy. your education was given to you. I owe you nothing but the condescension you are showing me. Have a nice day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    get over yourself buddy. your education was given to you. I owe you nothing but the condescension you are showing me. Have a nice day.
    Typical crank attitude. There's no shortcut to physics, bud. In the process of earning my degrees, I made plenty of errors in learning the material. Unlike you, I was grateful for the efforts of my intellectual superiors to penetrate my thick noggin and try to implant some knowledge.

    You, on the other hand, are part of that sad fraternity who think that simply sitting and thinking is a sufficient replacement for all that hard work. As I said, if you prefer to wallow in ignorance, that's your personal choice. Just don't fantasize that you are doing anything but.

    The way you're going, with your arrogant treatment of this forum as your personal blog (despite having been admonished specifically to cease doing so), you will last less than another week. Sic semper egotists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421 View Post
    Typical crank attitude. There's no shortcut to physics, bud. In the process of earning my degrees, I made plenty of errors in learning the material. Unlike you, I was grateful for the efforts of my intellectual superiors to penetrate my thick noggin and try to implant some knowledge.

    You, on the other hand, are part of that sad fraternity who think that simply sitting and thinking is a sufficient replacement for all that hard work. As I said, if you prefer to wallow in ignorance, that's your personal choice. Just don't fantasize that you are doing anything but.

    The way you're going, with your arrogant treatment of this forum as your personal blog (despite having been admonished specifically to cease doing so), you will last less than another week. Sic semper egotists.
    Do you think I am not grateful to KJW and Strange and anyone else who has contributed to the construction of my thesis statement? You are attached to making statements regarding others you cannot quantify or qualify accurately. I'm not really interested in hearing your life story. If you are so disappointed in your rewards it is absolutely no interest of mine and I am not going to grovel and snivel to you, to seek any type of respect. I only seek respect for my better decisions. I have little respect for your contemptuous presumption that another adult falls within the realm of your admonishment. As I said bud, get over yourself and take your sob story to a journalist......
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    your education was given to you
    That's one of the silliest statements I've seen. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

    I have tertiary qualifications in chemistry, and largely self-taught knowledge in mathematics and physics. Both cases demanded considerable effort on my part. The former was required by the university in which I was enrolled; the latter was required for me to actually understand the material I was learning, even though it wasn't externally imposed. The point is that no one is ever given an education. Being presented with information is only part of it, but without the effort put in to actually understand that information, there will be no education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJW View Post
    That's one of the silliest statements I've seen. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

    I have tertiary qualifications in chemistry, and largely self-taught knowledge in mathematics and physics. Both cases demanded considerable effort on my part. The former was required by the university in which I was enrolled; the latter was required for me to actually understand the material I was learning, even though it wasn't externally imposed. The point is that no one is ever given an education. Being presented with information is only part of it, but without the effort put in to actually understand that information, there will be no education.

    that shiny sparkle you think is your brilliance? It isn't. That is the real world and the darkness you blame on others is your own butt that you have crawled up to hide from your own shame....

    conversation closed. more important things to think about. (sorry mods for the blog blah. I will stick to the question I have going with KJW and Strange from now on)
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    that shiny sparkle you think is your brilliance? It isn't. That is the real world and the darkness you blame on others is your own butt that you have crawled into to hide from your own shame....
    WTF are you talking about?! All I'm saying is that there is no free ride with regards to education, and to accuse someone of getting a free ride is just plain wrong. I mention my own example only because it contains both formal and informal education, pointing out that neither is a free ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJW View Post
    WTF are you talking about?! All I'm saying is that there is no free ride with regards to education, and to accuse someone of getting a free ride is just plain wrong. I mention my own example only because it contains both formal and informal education, pointing out that neither is a free ride.
    Then stop assuming you have any comprehension of my accomplishments. I am sincerely fascinated by your eloquence and unbridled comprehension of form. I have always looked to you as the best advice. Would this be the instant response of one without a deep respect for discipline?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    Then stop assuming you have any comprehension of my accomplishments.
    You should heed your own advice. In any event, we can only react to the evidence we see. And the evidence is that of an unschooled individual with a desire to stay that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    Then stop assuming you have any comprehension of my accomplishments. I am sincerely fascinated by your eloquence and unbridled comprehension of form. I have always looked to you as the best advice. Would this be the instant response of one without a deep respect for discipline?
    do you know my age, my income, my weight, my fitness, my hobbies, my interests(other than the obvious), my specific educational environment, my capitulations or my sacrifices, my past or my future?

    I never came here to become personal with anyone. I wanted to get a question out of my head. That question can often hurt my head. I am genuinely very grateful for the obviously complete education you have achieved. I just want to be able to concentrate with getting on with my life without getting constantly distracted by this. Sorry about that KJW.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
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    Then stop assuming you have any comprehension of my accomplishments. I am sincerely fascinated by your eloquence and unbridled comprehension of form. I have always looked to you as the best advice. Would this be the instant response of one without a deep respect for discipline?
    do you know my age, my income, my weight, my fitness, my hobbies, my interests(other than the obvious), my specific educational environment, my capitulations or my sacrifices, my past or my future?

    I never came here to become personal with anyone. I wanted to get a question out of my head. That question can often hurt my head. I am genuinely very grateful for the obviously complete education you have achieved. I just want to be able to concentrate with getting on with my life without getting constantly distracted by this. Sorry about that KJW.....
    Your accomplishments away from the forum are irrelevant to us. It is what you say on the forum that is being assessed, and quite rightly so. I would've thought that you could take some encouragement from the fact that one can obtain their education informally and still be a respected member of the forum. It isn't your lack of education that we oppose, but your belief that you can substitute uneducated made-up ideas for a real (even if informal) education.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    I am genuinely very grateful for the obviously complete education you have achieved.
    My education is not complete... far from it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJW View Post
    My education is not complete... far from it.
    near infinite comparitive to mine dear sir.....
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    all I know apart from this question is that I love my son beyond infinitely and his mother is kooky as hell......
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    I get the feeling the educated resent those uneducated who want an education........
    If you wanted to learn, you would study science: learn what is known and, importantly, why it is known instead of making stuff up.

    The educated, in general, enjoy passing on what they have learnt because they remember the pleasure they got from learning originally.

    There is a huge world of fascinating science out there. Why not study it? It is so much more interesting that silly ideas you invent yourself (which will always be limited by your own imagination). By learning from all the scientific minds of the past, you can rise above your own limitations. "Standing on the shoulders of giants."

    You show zero evidence of being interested in learning. You are only interested in repeating endless nonsense about angular momentum.
    You can do everything right, strictly according to procedure, on the ocean and it'll still kill you, but if you're a good navigator at least you'll know where you were when you died.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange View Post
    If you wanted to learn, you would study science: learn what is known and, importantly, why it is known instead of making stuff up.

    The educated, in general, enjoy passing on what they have learnt because they remember the pleasure they got from learning originally.

    There is a huge world of fascinating science out there. Why not study it? It is so much more interesting that silly ideas you invent yourself (which will always be limited by your own imagination). By learning from all the scientific minds of the past, you can rise above your own limitations. "Standing on the shoulders of giants."

    You show zero evidence of being interested in learning. You are only interested in repeating endless nonsense about angular momentum.
    I'm really sorry mister. I just had to get what is on the SR/GR thread out of my head. The question has given me something to keep me focussed when things were rough, but now I have a child to raise and I need the pressure out of my head. I really hope I haven't off/ended you with my cerebral flailings....
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    I'm really sorry mister. I just had to get what is on the SR/GR thread out of my head. The question has given me something to keep me focussed when things were rough, but now I have a child to raise and I need the pressure out of my head. I really hope I haven't off/ended you with my cerebral flailings....
    Perhaps the most important lesson for you to learn right now is that this is not SSSF. The "rules" are somewhat different here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJW View Post
    Perhaps the most important lesson for you to learn right now is that this is not SSSF. The "rules" are somewhat different here.
    I am spent. Everything I have is on that thread. I am interested in maths now
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3SwordBunny View Post
    I am interested in maths now
    I hope that is real maths and not pseudomaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KJW View Post
    I hope that is real maths and not pseudomaths.
    I never knew where to start looking for a way to use complex stuff before. I can guesstimate money things fairly well. This has given me a supra-focussed intent, I assure you.
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    MODERATOR NOTE : 3SB, when you come back from your temporary suspension, please consider the following before continuing :

    1. Please refrain from opening several threads on essentially the same topic; only start a new thread if you have something to present that is unrelated to already ongoing discussions.
    2. This is a discussion forum, not a personal blog. Please make an effort for your posts to address specific points, rather than random thoughts as appear to be the case currently. There is no reason to make a new post for every sentence you want to say; this confuses people and obfuscates what you are trying to say.
    3. Do not just ignore points raised - for example, in the GR/SR thread it was pointed out to you several times over that SR is just a subset of GR for flat space-time, but you never even acknowledged that and just repeated your earlier ramblings. Such behaviour is very irritating, and will not make you many friends here ( or elsewhere ). You are free to ask questions, but once answers are given, don't just simply ignore them.

    I need you to make an effort to put the above into practice; no one here is "against you", but ultimately you yourself must make the effort to fit into the forum culture as it already exists. The most important point to understand it that this is a discussion forum, a place to ask questions and exchange ideas, and not a platform to proliferate personal theories. Make sure you understand the difference.

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    Is this addressed to the guy who's been banned? How can he conform to this if he isn't given the same space to address a point?
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    Is this addressed to the guy who's been banned? How can he conform to this if he isn't given the same space to address a point?
    MODERATOR WARNING : Ok, I have tried to be polite and understanding here, but at the same time I won't be playing games either, so this is your last warning - you will immediately cease to create sock puppets. The next one you create will see you permanently banned, and all future accounts you create will be automatically deleted without warning or notice. Your original account ( 3SB ) was suspended for three days, after which you will regain use of it. Just wait it out, and when you come back I suggest you heed the tips I have been given you - or else face the consequences. This is a Physics Forum, not kindergarden.
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