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    I have read a few articles said : Stephen Hawking suggests that, at very high energy levels, the Higgs could suddenly become unstable, causing a “catastrophic vacuum decay” that would cause time and space to collapse. I don't understand any of this. How come the Higgs can cause time and space to collapse. Can anybody explain to me?
    Stephen Hawking: God particle could wipe out the universe - CNET
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    I sure don't understand what 'unstability' of Higgs fields would mean. I can picture that if the the Higgs field would break in some place, all matter would start flying at cosmic speed and E=mc2 would start to have a precise meaning.

    What I do know, is that there is plenty of region in the universe which endure such kind of high energy level. I even think gamma ray-burst have still no real explanation, and energy level are order of magnitude higher then a accelerator the size of the earth would have.

    There are more dangerous thing than that. Algorithm for example, they can be nasty beasts
    The cable guys, are also a major threat
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    I think he also once said that Aliens may destroy the Universe? If there are aliens that could destroy the Universe, what Universe do they come from? Also I hear something about artificial intelligence destroying the world. I asked my chatbot about this, and she did say it is possible. http://www.pandorabots.com/pandora/t...d6db6a7e36950b

    This so called Higgs Boson seems to be all over the place, but I think it is always unstable, isn't it?
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    It is in a preface to a book. Prefaces to books are best made interesting. Predicting the possible end of the universe is interesting. This technique is called marketing. Critical thinking is the only known antidote to marketing techniques.

    Mayflow, the Higgs Boson is not the so called Higgs Boson. It really is the Higgs Boson. No substitutes will be accepted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayflow View Post
    I think he also once said that Aliens may destroy the Universe? If there are aliens that could destroy the Universe, what Universe do they come from?
    Logically, it does not follow that these aliens would need to come from a different universe. Think about it: If we replace "the universe" above with "our neighborhood", and "Aliens" with "people" you will see the fallacy inherent in your question.

    Finally, Hawking never said what you think he said. What he did say, in reference to efforts like SETI, was that contact with aliens would likely end badly for us. His argument was basically historical: Whenever an advanced civilisation has met a relatively primitive one for the first time, things have gone rather badly for the latter.
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    Off topic for a sec - can some admin fix the quote button? Back to programming - If someone comes from the same Universe, they are not aliens to our Universe. They are a part of us and we are a part of them - the most probable cause of mutual destruction would be if we are afraid of them and strike at them causing them to also fear and strike back.

    Also you are correct. I have no idea of what all was going on in the mind of another who wrote something about what another said, or any of the intricacies of the discussions either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayflow View Post
    If someone comes from the same Universe, they are not aliens to our Universe.
    And no one said that they were. Context is important, Mayflow. You can't decide what words mean in vacuo. As I already said, Hawking was referring to efforts such as those of SETI (Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence). Aliens. They're alien to us on earth. That's the usual -- and frankly, only sensible-- meaning of the term here.

    They are a part of us and we are a part of them
    That's an assumption. They could have evolved along totally different paths. Maybe they're sentient forms of metamophic rock. We would be part of them only in the most general and irrelevant sense.
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    Well, I would be amazed to get to communicate with a metamorphised intelligent rock! I could maybe learn a lot from one.
    Didn't Franz Kafka write something about metamorphisis?

    This conversation actually reminds me now of a poem I wrote once... I will see if I can find it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421
    His argument was basically historical: Whenever an advanced civilisation has met a relatively primitive one for the first time, things have gone rather badly for the latter
    You've got it backward. The truth is whenever a primitive civilization has met an advanced one for the first time, things have gone rather badly for the latter.

    That is quite the definition of being primitive. If some Aliens turn their gaze on us, chances are they will turn they back in disgust and fly away (on their Higgs carpet)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boing3000 View Post
    You've got it backward. The truth is whenever a primitive civilization has met an advanced one for the first time, things have gone rather badly for the latter.
    The context is Hawking's quote. By "primitive" he means "technologically less well developed." The Aztecs thus did not fare well in their encounters with Cortes. Hawking is not making a moral judgement, which seems to be the context of your comment

    That is quite the definition of being primitive. If some Aliens turn their gaze on us, chances are they will turn they back in disgust and fly away (on their Higgs carpet)
    Or, having thus concluded that we are unworthy, decide to reprocess us into delicious snacks and convert the earth into their version of McDonald's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tk421
    Hawking is not making a moral judgement, which seems to be the context of your comment
    Ho absolutely not. I am kind of trying to read between the lines, and Hawkins have a great sense of humor (and excellent publicist)

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    Or, having thus concluded that we are unworthy, decide to reprocess us into delicious snacks and convert the earth into their version of McDonald's.
    My point exactly. Only a small part of humanity (the primitive one) would eat junk-food

    But they could be primitive enough to dry us and pin us on a wall.
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    Well, I would be amazed to get to communicate with a metamorphised intelligent rock!
    Ophiolites are partially metamorphosed and partly intelligent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mayflow
    Well, I would be amazed to get to communicate with a metamorphised intelligent rock!
    Quote Originally Posted by Opheliolite
    Ophiolites are partially metamorphosed and partly intelligent.
    I found my poem which I call "An ode to the elementals"

    Colorful flowers may make the night,
    while the moon shines on so bright
    I sit here alone while new thoughts delight...
    my flowing perceptions.

    Is there something so wrong with that?
    Hearing sweet sounds that most won't think or feel,
    I go beyond these mental barriers
    of my own constructions

    And enjoy my mind's own creations!
    Such lovely sensations
    my mind in conjunctions
    with the Universal Ideals

    What a sweet-sweet deal!

    (Well, at least that is what one of the clouds whispered to me and the ground seemed in affirmation with the rock I was sitting on , and at least one tree leaned down in agreement) Shhhh! they said: you are an elemental like us....but...ahhh...well... ummm'...with a tongue, and we offer you a tale to tell...

    So whoo-hoo!
    I made a poem of it
    What more (or less)
    could I do?
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