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    I would be interested to know what the relationship is between the absolute nature of the speed of light and the indeterminate nature of Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle.

    If an object is moving at very near to the speed of light, does the uncertainty principle impose any “fuzziness” on the consistency of the speed of light? Or does the speed of light impose any restrictions on the uncertainty principle?
    I find it hard to describe the question well, but I think it boils down to this: can any of an object’s many superpositions involve faster than light travel?

    I suspect this is a non-issue, but I would be interested to know why.
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    It is not clear exactly how these would be related. Although, things like tunnelling (e.g. an electron through an insulator or potential barrier) can occur faster than light. And that is because it doesn't actually move from one side to the other, but its probability distribution allows it to be either side of the barrier. Which is (I think) related to the uncertainty in its position. But this cannot be used to transfer any information faster than light, because you can only tell that tunnelling occurred after the fact.
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    Thanks. So if no information is transferred then faster than light travel is possible (Einstein’s spooky action at a distance). But in this particular instance where information is transferred the situation is not clear.
    That’s interesting. If it’s not exactly clear how these two would be related then could this be resolved by an experiment? Surely someone has thought of this? I would have thought that Physicists would have been champing at the leash to be able to check out conflicts between relativity and quantum physics? Or would such an experiment be beyond our means technically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtalU View Post
    The Et al Theory attempts to resolve the differences between Heisenberg vs Einstein.
    The Thesis assumes the following:

    There are two different perspectives that need to be considered when examining the universe.
    They are Relative and Absolute
    The Relative perspective is the universe that we see.
    The Absolute perspective is the universe as it actually is.

    The one clue that we have for this is the fact that there is one particle that does not experience time. That is the photon. Hence, if a photon traveled from one end of the universe to the other, the journey would take 0 amount of time. The conclusion is that light is timeless. This is a fact as observed in the relative perspective.

    In order to ponder the photon fact the Et al Theory created a null hypothesis.
    That is, just before the "Big Bang" = Snapshot #1, there was an infinite amount of matter in the universe and 0 amount of energy.
    At the "Big Bang" = Snapshot #2, all the matter was converted into an infinite amount of pure energy so that there was 0 matter.

    Somewhere in between this dynamic interchange, the universe converted into a stage of elementary photons and as such the universe was completely devoid of time. Hence, Snapshot #1 represents the beginning of the universe and Snapshot # 2 represents the end of the universe. The conclusion is somewhat hard but not impossible for us to swallow. That is:

    1.) The universe ended already.
    2.) Every event that ever happened or will ever happen has already happened.
    3.) Light is indeed timeless just as the absolute universe is.
    4.) In the Absolute or "Real" universe, there is no such thing as time!
    5.) Matter is visible in the relative perspective and energy is invisible
    6.) While it is apparent in the relative perspective E=MC squared, in that same real absolute universe M=E.
    7.) While from the relative perspective the universe is a dynamic phenomenon, the absolute perspective is actually a static one.

    As for Heisenberg, his theory is more consistent with the Absolute perspective of the universe while Einstein creates certain rules to allow his theory to work.

    1.) All must agree that light a constant speed at approximately 186,000 miles per second. (The glaring exception is the photon!)

    2.) His postulation is that there are no instantaneous interactions in nature.

    In the real universe both suppositions are false.
    So far, we have not seen scientific proof to counter this hypothesis.
    This nonsense belongs in the Trash Can
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    Quote Originally Posted by EtalU View Post
    deranged drivel
    Reported for spamming the same ignorant crap in multiple threads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_Tavener View Post
    Thanks. So if no information is transferred then faster than light travel is possible (Einstein’s spooky action at a distance). But in this particular instance where information is transferred the situation is not clear.
    That’s interesting. If it’s not exactly clear how these two would be related then could this be resolved by an experiment? Surely someone has thought of this? I would have thought that Physicists would have been champing at the leash to be able to check out conflicts between relativity and quantum physics? Or would such an experiment be beyond our means technically?
    The conflict between Quantum mechanics and Relativity arises when you incorporate gravity (GR). We already have a theory that combines SR and QM, known as Quantum Electrodynamics(QED). It has also turned out to be the most accurate theory to date in terms of the predictions it makes.
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